Whether or not he hits .400 this season, Chipper Jones's place in the history of baseball is pretty secure. He's been a MVP, the offensive leader of the winningest National League team of his era and a solid player at two different defensive positions. He may be the second-best switchhitter in baseball history, in fact, but he's not sure he ranks that low on the list. "The one thing that I wanted to be, that (Mickey Mantle and Eddie Murray) weren't was the all-around guy who hit for average, power, drove in runs, scored runs, was a tough out, on-base percentage, all those things. Not that they were any slouches, but from an average standpoint, Mickey hit .298. I don't know what Murray's average was (.287), but, you know, the one thing I can say is, from an average standpoint, 'I got 'em.' "
I'd rather have Jones than Murray, I'll give him that, but this is the first time anyone's ever said Mantle wasn't an all-around player. Sure, Jones's career average of .310 is better than Mantle's. Britney Spears sold more albums than Billie Holliday, doesn't make her a better singer.What Jones, and USA Today, leaves out is that his average is 38 points higher than league average over his career. Mantle's is 42 points better. It's like inflation. Prices from the 1950's and 1960's are lower in actual numbers but similar in value, same thing with batting averages.
That's why we use statistics like OPS+ to measure players across eras. It normalizes stats to a neutral ground so that we can look at Jones and Mantle and really figure out who was the more productive hitter. Mantle wins in a landslide. His career OPS+ is 172, Jones is at 145. Jones's number is excellent, 49th all-time, but Mantle is, by that metric, the sixth best hitter of all time.
Jones is at a career best 208 by that metric right now, very impressive for a 36-year old. If he stayed at that number it would rank as Mantle's third best seasonal OPS+, just nudging out his 54-homer 1961 campaign. Using any advanced stat, adjusted for differences in era, and Jones lags behind Mantle.
Both are great players, made greater by the way they battled through injuries to lead their teams to the postseason time and again. One's better than the other, though, and it ain't Chipper.

















Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
5-30-2008 @ 8:28PM
AR said...
CHIPPER JONES CAN PROVE IT TAKING THE TEAM TO THE PLAYOFF.
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5-31-2008 @ 5:52AM
claytor said...
Lol, eh, i think Chipper was doing this in good fun, god knows hes idolized Cal Ripken, and even though hes no Iron Man himself, would prolly make a lighthearted joke about being better than Cal at something.
All jokes aside though, hes had a very, very productive career, and i dont doubt before its over that hell be able to say one thing that him AND mantle AND murray are ALL even on: theyre HOFers.
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5-31-2008 @ 1:16PM
brendan grubb said...
What is Jones smoking.....better than "the Mick"...come on...how many World Championships has he won....Mantles power (home runs) came during the dead ball era and the higher mound (see Bob Gibson )...anyway as far as Jones better then Mzntle...no way....
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6-01-2008 @ 4:35PM
AR said...
CHIPPER JONES DOES NOT HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO CARRY THE TEAM ON HIS ON...CLEARLY NOT BETTER THAN MANTLE OR MURRAY.
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6-02-2008 @ 12:11AM
john said...
Dear Mr. Jones.
If Mickey Mantle had the strength and conditioning from day one that all you have today, he would've broken more records than Mr Guinness himself. I suggest you go back and watch the speed that Mantle had around the basis. Watch the strength he had in his forearms. Watch his home runs with shanky bats and soft balls. If Mantle didn't drink as a hobby and had better knees, he would've played years longer. Mr Jones you cannot come close to becoming what the Mick was. Please don't embarass yourself again. Compare yourself to Carl Yaztremski or Cal Ripken, but not Mantle.
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