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The results of the baseball Hall of Fame voting will be revealed Monday (2:00 PM ET), and there's a good chance Jim Rice will finally make it. Andre Dawson almost certainly will not. While I believe Rice has a good case to be in the Hall of Fame, I am left wondering how he's become so much more qualified than Dawson -- at least by the electorate. Really, if you factor in all aspects of play, they are equally deserving of entry into Cooperstown.
Let's take a look at the case of Rice and compare him to Dawson.
Hitting
Jim Rice was said to be one of the most feared hitters in the league for about a 10-year span. He compiled 382 career home runs and 1,451 RBI, and this was in an era where home runs were much less plentiful than today. He hit over 20 home runs in 11 out of 12 seasons in his prime, and the one year he didn't reach 20 was the strike-shortened 1981 season. He hit 39 bombs in a season three times, and went for 46 in his MVP season (1978). He had eight seasons with over 100 RBI, including four with over 120. All told, Rice's career slugging percentage was an impressive .502 -- which helped him to put up a career 128 OPS+.
Andre Dawson came from pretty much the same era -- his prime started two years later -- and he was equally as feared. "The Hawk" just had an aura about him. Other than the 49 home run barrage in 1987 -- when he won the MVP -- he didn't put up quite as prolific power numbers per season as Rice. His next highest total was 32 homers, and his 31 in 1991 was the only other time he hit more than 27. He only went over 100 RBI four times. He was, however, much more consistent and did it for a longer period of time. Between 1978 and 1992, Dawson only missed the 20 home run barrier twice. Because of this longevity and consistency, he has higher career totals than Rice at 438 homers and 1,591 RBI. With a .482 career slugging percentage and 119 OPS+ in basically the same era, I'm willing to call this portion of their respective games slightly in favor of Rice.
In the two main counting categories, Dawson has the edge, but mostly because of his longevity. He ended with 2,774 hits and 1,373 runs compared to 2,452 and 1,249 from Rice.
One difference I have heard people -- like Joe Posnanski, of whom I am a huge fan and usually agree -- is that Dawson's .323 on-base percentage is simply too low for him to be a Hall of Famer. I've also seen Ken Rosenthal argue that in the time they played, there wasn't an emphasis on OBP like there is today. Thus, coaches would rather see Dawson swing at bad pitches than take walks. I don't really buy that argument, though, because you can't tell me they would rather him get out than get on base. Still, Rice is only nine percentage points of a better hitter using OPS+, and Dawson stuck around much longer. It's really close.
Speed and Defense
This is where I believe the voters who leave Dawson off their ballots, yet vote for Rice, are falling short. If you agree that the difference between the two players in the batter's box was small, every other aspect of the game tips the scales towards Dawson.
Before Dawson's knees fell apart, he compiled 314 career stolen bases, mostly in his first seven full seasons in the majors. He never stole less than 21 bases and passed 30 three times during that span. Rice stole 58 in his career, and never more than 10 in a season. The speed difference also likely explains why Rice hit into about 100 more double plays than Dawson -- despite compiling 1,600 fewer at-bats.
In the field, Andre Dawson was The Arm in baseball in the '80s. No one ran on this guy because he had an absolute cannon. He ended his career with 157 outfield assists -- again, despite people rarely testing his arm -- and won 10 Gold Gloves. Rice did rack up 137 assists, but was generally thought to be a below-average defender -- that's why he spent roughly a quarter of his career as a designated hitter. He, obviously, never won a Gold Glove.
Similar Players
A tool I much enjoy using is the similarity feature on baseball-reference. Basically, it can show you who the players best compare with statistically over the course of their career. You can also check by-age similars. Rice has four Hall of Famers in his top 10 career similars -- Orlando Cepeda (his top match), Duke Snider, Billy Williams, and Willie Stargell. Dawson has five -- Billy Williams (his top match), Tony Perez, Al Kaline, Ernie Banks, and Dave Winfield.
The by-age similars are very telling for Dawson. Throughout his thirties, he was most similar to Dave Winfield in every single season. Winfield was a first-ballot Hall of Famer.
The Bottom Line
Any offensive gap between Dawson and Rice is easily closed by Dawson's speed and defense. They both have good cases, but not open-and-shut ones. Their similars seem to give Dawson a slight advantage, but not one that definitely makes him more of a Hall of Famer than Rice. I'm not necessarily saying they should both be in, and I'm not necessarily saying that neither should make it. However, their Hall of Fame fate should be one in the same -- whatever it may be.
As I said in the title, if Jim Rice is a Hall of Famer, so is Andre Dawson. It's really that simple.

















Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
1-12-2009 @ 12:23PM
Wayne said...
Wouldn't Dawson's longevity, as compared to Rice, mean that he was less effect on a per season basis? If voters don't think Rice is hall of fame caliber because he didn't dominate enough or for long enough, then Dawson can't be a hall of famer for simply being a worse player over a longer career.
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1-12-2009 @ 1:13PM
sue said...
Jim Rice should be in the Hall of Fame.
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1-12-2009 @ 1:24PM
Grapost said...
The Hall Of Fame continutes to be a joke! More and more players who are not Hall Of Fame material continue to get in just because there are no REAL HOF type players to vote for that year. This year is no different. Rice And Dawson are NOT HOF level players. They were excellent but not HOF level.
They're numbers haven't improved over the years, so why are they now "worthy" It's like gee "we have to elect somebody?" "Let's put this guy in so we can have at least have a ceremony and something to celebrate." I wish the sportswriters had the guts of the Old Timers Committee who said hey look, there aren't anymore guys left who have been overlooked, so we're not electing anybody! It's about time some "credibility" was added to the HOF elections.
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1-12-2009 @ 8:50PM
Wade said...
Agree with your argument. However, I don't think either should be in the Hall.
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1-12-2009 @ 9:03PM
NeonDon said...
Jobbed again, huh Matt!? But as a former sportswriter, I'll tell you again, it's not player vs player or era vs era...unfortunately. It's the attitude and background of the voters and how much they know and what biases they have. Period. There were half as many teams (less diluted leagues) and talk about HR eras, a lot less when GIL HODGES played. Look, unbiasedly, at his stats (especially in Brooklyn)and then add the character, icon, string of good years, & managerial success factors and let me (or us) know what you think compared to Rice and Dawson. OH, and add the thing that got Ozzie in-setting the standard for how to play his position. (And, as you know, I'm NOT a Dodger fan.)
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1-12-2009 @ 10:12PM
NeonDon said...
I sure wish foks would look at the names in the HOF and their stats...AT LEAST!!! Because if we followed some folks thinking we'd have to go back and remove a third of those already in. GO look at Monte Irvin's numbers. And don't tell me it's because he didn't get credit for his years in the Negro Leagues. That's not one of the criteria for induction. Robinson (both Jackie and Frank), Mays, Banks,Doby and others (who starred in the Negro Leagues) also compiled their stats and made their mark in MLB, TOO.
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1-12-2009 @ 11:04PM
Glenn said...
If Dawson had more longevity, he should have been in more All-Star games, right? Rice and Dawson were each chosen for 8 All-Star games. This tells you something about how each player stacked up with the players at the time. Considering years played, Rice was regarded as being All-Star caliber more often than Dawson.
Also, how odd that no one mentions their career batting averages -- Rice .298, Dawson .279. Sorry, but this is no contest.
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1-13-2009 @ 11:13AM
Jason said...
I'm sure Dawson was snubbed for the All-Star game some years because he played in Montreal, which was the worst place to play if you wanted national recognition.
1-14-2009 @ 1:21AM
Jon D. Abbey said...
Jim Rice does not deserve the HOF, he was slow,a lousy clutch hitter and batted a weak .277 away from Fenway. He was a dominant hitter for seven or eight years, and very solid for another four or five. He does not have three thousand hits or 400 homers, nor does he have a lifetime average of .300. Jim Rice grounded into a botlaod of DP's largely because he was a slow pull hitter. He struck out a lot and was a rally killing machine in close games for years for the Sox, go ask there fans! Now that Rice is in you need to elect Andre dawson, Dave parker, Dale Murphy, and maybe Albert Belle, let's really get goofy and elect Steve garvey and george Foster too! The HOF has become the Hall of Shame. When you have to ponder over the decision to elect a player to the Hall he more than likely does not deserve to go. Unfortunately Rice made it.
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1-14-2009 @ 3:19PM
Joanie said...
NO, DAWSON SHOULD BE IN THE HALL OF FAME COME ONE!
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1-14-2009 @ 6:11PM
Jon D. Abbey said...
As a follow-up to yesterdays remarks on Rice being elected to the HOF, I would also like to add these remarks. Jim Rice was a mediocre fielder with a weak arm, and never won a gold glove. Furthermore, he was moody, surly and an overall jerk, her refused to sign an autograph for me at the BIG A of Anaheim back in the early eighties. Now that Rice was elected let's elect George Bell and Reggie Smith, oh yeah and let's not forget Ted Simmons and Paul O'neil. Let's be serious Jim Rice couldn't carry Al Kaline's jockstrap!
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