Blowhard Hall of Fame? On the first ballot.Postseason Hall of Fame? No doubt.
Baseball Hall of Fame? Good question.
Curt Schilling has been a borderline Hall of Famer for a while, and his retirement announcement Monday brings the issue to the forefront.
The gut reaction, right now, is that he gets in -- despite frustrating any number of members of the Baseball Writers' Association of America who had to deal with him.
Here are some of the key numbers (thanks to baseball-reference.com):
• .597 winning percentage: same as Warren Spahn, 24th amonth pitchers with 3,000 or more innings.
• 216 wins: 80th all-time, equal to Charlie Hough but more than Don Drysdale.
• No Cy Young Awards: But runner-up three times, to teammate Randy Johnson in 2001-02 and to Johan Santana in 2004.
• 3,116 strikeouts: 15th all-time, one fewer than Pedro Martinez and Bob Gibson.
• 3.46 ERA, 379th all-time, but better than Tom Glavine and Jack Morris.
| Most Postseason Wins | |
|---|---|
| Pitcher | Wins |
| John Smoltz | 15 |
| Andy Pettitte | 14 |
| Tom Glavine | 14 |
| Roger Clemens | 12 |
| Curt Schilling | 11 |
| Greg Maddux | 11 |
| David Wells | 10 |
| Dave Stewart | 10 |
| Whitey Ford | 10 |
| Postseason Win Pct. (10-plus decisions) |
|
| Pitcher | WPCT |
| Curt Schilling | .846 |
| John Smoltz | .789 |
| Orlando Hernandez | .750 |
| David Cone | .727 |
| Orel Hershiser | .727 |
| Jim Palmer | .727 |
| Postseason ERA (100-plus IP) | |
| Pitcher | ERA |
| Mariano Rivera | 0.77 |
| Christy Mathewson | 1.06 |
| Curt Schilling | 2.23 |
| Orlando Hernandez | 2.55 |
| Orel Hershiser | 2.59 |
| Source: Boston Red Sox | |
In 2002, Schilling had 316 strikeouts and just 33 walks. His career ratio of 4.38 strikeouts for every walk is best in baseball's modern (post-1900) era. His 1.96 walks per nine innings is fourth-best of the expansion era, after Juan Marichal, Greg Maddux and David Wells.
(Interesting comparison with Wells. ERA is 4.13 for Wells, mostly in AL, and 3.46 for Schlling. Wins are 239 for Wells, 216 for Schilling. Winning percentage is .604 for Wells, .597 for Schilling.)
If Schilling makes Cooperstown -- and I shudder at thinking about his acceptance speech; maybe I hope he'd just blog it -- his postseason performances will push him over the top. And there's nothing wrong with that; October should carry extra weight.
Schilling was dominant in the playoffs in 1993, 2001 and 2004, and overall he was 11-2 with a 2.23 ERA as his teams won 10 of 12 series.
And as much as those numbers, it's the memorable performances. Not just the bloody sock in 2004, but making three starts in the 2001 World Series, including Game 7, and winning the NLCS MVP in 1993 (during which he famously covered his head with a towel instead of watching Mitch Williams nearly blow Game 5).
Because the system forces us to wait five years after a player's career to vote -- nearly four years from now in Schilling's case, since he didn't play in 2008 -- it gives voters time to re-examine the landscape and time for the standards to evolve. That seems to be happening more rapidly than ever in the wake of performance-enhancing drug scandal.

















Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
3-23-2009 @ 4:10PM
Adam said...
As much as I would like him to go in - I don't see it happening. You're numbers are very misleading - same win percentage as Warren Spahn is not fair - considering it is with 150 less wins, 3116 ks - about 600 less than Blyleven. According to Baseball Reference his numbers most closely resemble those of Kevin Brown, Bob Welch and Orel Hershiser. No one is making a case for any of those guys. While Schilling was a post season great, his numbers don't quite get him there. I hope he does get in - I wouldn't bet on it.
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3-23-2009 @ 5:41PM
woodwizzz said...
please, hall of good maybe but a hall of famer, NO WAY!
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3-23-2009 @ 6:22PM
roberts said...
does anyone with a life care about hall of fame.
its only for youngsters (under 16)
these are grown men playing a boys game for
millions of $$$
sports stats worship is just sad....
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3-23-2009 @ 7:05PM
ax41945 said...
he has a big mouth but when he went to congress he clamed and said he was misquoted about steroids the only thing bigger than his mouth is his head
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3-23-2009 @ 8:27PM
Rex Karz said...
Jim Bunning is in with a 224-184 record. I'd hate to think that's just because he's a politician. Schilling is certainly far more deserving than Bunning.
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3-23-2009 @ 8:43PM
jmaneuv011 said...
Borderline as far as stats go, but playing in the hitter's/steroid era give him the edge over guys like Welch and Hershiser.
In this era guys with 200-250 wins can't be ignored becase this is also the era of the relief pitcher and strict pitch counts (meaning no decision for the starter).
Schilling was also the ace of three World Series winning teams and was dominant in beating the other team's ace almost every time out-if not for him the Red Sox are still cursed.
If you're going to compare him to Wells (a borderline pitcher who desn't belong in the Hall), also consider that Wells was never the ace of the staff for a World Series team, a 3.46 ERA vs. a 4.16 ERA is a big difference, AL or not, and what stands out to me for both players is Schilling's 3 World Series titles vs. Wells leaving in the first inning of the Yankees postseason collapse a few years back.
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3-23-2009 @ 9:02PM
gawbrooks said...
Someday I hope to walk into some fern bar in Chester County, where Schilling still has a home, and find him there, at the bar, waxing poetic with anyone who cares to listen. I will ask him why he didn't just pitch; why he felt the need to lead with his mouth rather than merely his fastball; if he at all felt remorse over speaking too freely; if there were times he regretted doing so, and in the aftermath of doing so, if he ever despised his name, shared among his peers: "Table for One." I hope to ask him all of that, without hiding under the safety of a logo, just to see what he says, under the camouflage of just himself.
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3-23-2009 @ 11:55PM
nochickenhawk said...
This guy is borderline so why take up space in the hall when there will be futures who will not be borderline. Schilling was a club house politician who spent more time on politics than pitching. I don't mind a guy making an extra buck by playing the media but this guy went way too far overboard. He is like many of the current day "superstars" who were always injured when you really needed them for the big game. Besides his bloody sock deal was phony as hell and showed that he was more interested in stage stunts than baseball. As for playing hurt, Mickey Mantle played hurt everyday and didn't get and probably didn't want the media sympathy that Schilling constantly orchestrated.
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3-24-2009 @ 12:37AM
jimjjj42 said...
He probably will make it. But I thinh he makes it for the wrong reasons. People wiil remember the sock and other off the field stories more than his baseball skills. He also got more out of his mouth with his rightiousness, than most other players.
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3-24-2009 @ 3:14AM
scubafoy said...
The size of one's mouth or his politics have nothing to do with the Hall of Fame. Judge the man for what he accomplished on the field. Thats how you get into the Hall of Fame. Curt will make it.
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3-24-2009 @ 7:41AM
huntsmangil said...
If you purely judge by what he did on the field to get his teams to the playoffs, then he should NOT be in the hall of fame.
It is the hall of fame, not the hall of good. Granted, he was a money pitcher in the playoffs BUT he has merely 70 more wins than losses. Obviously he wasn't the only reason those teams went to the playoffs. He was a good pitcher on good teams! That doesn't mean HOF!!
He wasn't the ace of Arizona, Randy Johnson was there & I believe the Cy Young winner. In Boston Pedro was there & as the opening day pitcher, that pretty much makes you the ace. He had great players around him; why do you think he chose Boston?
Jim Kaat was a very good pitcher, fielded his position & didn't do it with a lot of rahrah & was twice the pitcher as Schilling & he isn't in the HOF though much more deserving.
Schilling can go to the post season hall of fame but it takes more than the big stage to get into the real hall. Be money when the spotlight isn't shining on you then you are a true HOFer!! Pitch your team into the playoff, don't just ride their coattails & then look great when the spot lights go on. That is my JMHO of Schilling!!
Oh yah, remember, he initially came up with Boston & was traded to Baltimore, I believe. He wasted the first few seasons not giving it his all, then he met Roger Clemens...anyone remember that? I believe he admitted to all of this & how Roger made him realize he could be a better player, long before Clemens got busted for being a steroid user...excuse me, accused/alleged steroid user.
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3-24-2009 @ 12:53PM
cthulhu645 said...
This guy is incredibly borderline and using postseason stats is cherry picking and boils down to anecdotes over stats. If he gets in before Bert Blyleven then just tear the Hall of Fame down - it's worthless.
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3-24-2009 @ 2:14PM
Jeffro said...
I would put him in for 2 reasons.
1. Postseason wins.
2. Not using steroids like McGuire, A-rod, and Bonds.
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3-24-2009 @ 2:24PM
fc4u2do said...
HE HAS TO MANY ENEMY'S,,,,NO WAY A FIRST ROUNDER FOR THE HALL...
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3-24-2009 @ 3:28PM
goopiektt said...
Are you kidding me. This guy barely won 10.5 games a season. No consistency at all in his career. He was a good pitcher, who played a good 20 year career. As far as his post season record goes, wins do not tell the whole story. Also to get into the post season, you have to be on a good to very good team. If this guy goes into the Hall of Fame, its a bag job.
Good by Curt, hope you can keep your mouth shut in the outside world.
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3-24-2009 @ 4:02PM
Adam said...
If you want to compare someone with 3ws how about Jack Morris:
Morris - 254-186 (.577), 3824 ip, 3.90 era, 2478k, 3 WS with 3 diff teams
Schilling - 216-146 (.597), 3261 ip, 3.46 era, 3116k, 3 ws with 2 diff teams.
The numbers are somewhat similar - this year Morris received 44% of the vote after several years on the ballot. I don't see how one can be in without the other.
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3-24-2009 @ 4:42PM
cthulhu645 said...
It's weird for me to now defend Schilling, but you are using some godawful analysis to come to that conclusion.
Jack Morris doesn't belong anywhere near the Hall of Fame. comparing their win percentage is a really strange move. Wins have absolutely no place in determining anything about a pitcher and, frankly, I'm surprised we're still paying them any credence.
Curt Schilling had almost 700 more strikeouts than Morris with 600 less walks! Curt Schilling's ERA+ is 127 (meaning he's 27% better than the average major league pitcher over the entirety of pro baseball), Jack Morris's is only 105.
There are a myriad of reasons to keep Curt Schilling out of the Hall of Fame, waiting on Jack Morris ain't one of them.
3-28-2009 @ 8:28PM
aintell5 said...
RE:REX KARN
regarding jim bunning, he pitched no hitters in both leagues, one of those a perfecto against the mets, he also won alot of games for a philly team that wasn't very good. ie the 1964 team that collapsed in sept. and handed the pennant to st. louis
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