No National League team has gone to back-to-back World Series since the 1995-96 Braves.Until now.
OK, the Phillies could miss out on a second straight pennant. They could cough up a seven-game lead on the NL East. They could lose in a short playoff series.
But with the addition of Cliff Lee on Wednesday, they are more than the defending NL champions in name. Even though the Dodgers have a better record, Los Angeles will need to knock Philadelphia off of its perch.
"I think there is no doubt about it ... they were the [NL] favorites to start the day," an AL executive said of the Phillies, "and I think they're the favorites now. I think they match up with L.A. very well."
The Phillies are 3-4 against the Dodgers this year -- but were out-scored just 26-25. And Philadelphia won last year's NLCS matchup.
A scout from an NL team was slightly less definitive.
"I'm not sure it pushes them over [the top]," he said. "[Roy] Halladay pushes them over.
"I think they've closed the gap. Although I think they were going to beat L.A. anyway because they're so much tougher."
Speaking of tougher, Lee moves from the tougher American League to the NL East. He is 12-2 with a 3.18 ERA in 22 career starts against NL teams, although he has never faced the Nationals or Mets, with one start against the Braves and two against the Marlins.
Remember, when CC Sabathia went from Cleveland to the NL last year, he went 11-2 with a 1.65 ERA. Lee could benefit the same way, the scout said.
"He's coming to the National League, where they have half the hitters," the scout said. "It may be a Sabathia situation. The comparisons with Sabathia in Cleveland are eerie. [Lee] may go on a tear."
Although Lee was just 7-9 for the Tribe, his run support was awful and his 3.14 ERA was seventh-best in the AL. He also led the league in innings (152) and was sixth in fewest walks per nine innings (2.0). Lee was also third in the NL in fewest homers allowed per nine innings, which will come in handy at Citizens Bank Park.
"One of our goals during the course of this year is to try to add someone to our rotation that we felt would be kind of a difference-maker," Phillies general manager Ruben Amaro said.
Amaro denied this deal was more about October than the final two months of the regular season.
"I absolutely cannot lose fact of the sight that there's a lot of baseball to be played here. There are some very, very good teams in our division. ... By no means do we take for granted where we are in the standings right now. There's no question that getting a top-of-the-rotation caliber pitcher, you would think that would help you, if you get the opportunity to get to the playoffs, to get deeper into the playoffs. But our goal is pretty singular now, and that's to get to the playoffs and see where things fall."
Lee has faced the Dodgers once, in June 2008, and he allowed one run in 7 1/3 innings, with six hits and one walk. But he has never pitched in the postseason.
"It may be a [CC] Sabathia situation. The comparisons with Sabathia in Cleveland are eerie. [Lee] may go on a tear."
-- An NL Scout Throw-in Ben Francisco fills the other need Philadelphia was concerned about, a right-handed bat off the bench. Francisco has a career .359 on-base percentage and .451 slugging percentage against lefties.
So the Phillies now have a No. 1-type pitcher, one of the better No. 2s in Cole Hamels, the league's best offense (most runs and homers, both overall and on the road) and a grind-to-the-last-out toughness that can't quite be quantified.
Oh, and they've won 19 of their past 22 even without Lee.
To their credit, the Phillies didn't "mortgage the future." Lee can be kept next year for an $8 million team option. And while right-hander Jason Knapp has high-end potential, he was only in Sinlge-A. The Phillies were able to keep more advanced prospects such as Double-A right-hander Kyle Drabek and Triple-A outfielder Michael Taylor.
Amaro wouldn't address his pursuit of Halladay, but when he said, "We just felt like this was the proper fit for us," it meant that Lee didn't cost as much in terms of prospects, and that mattered.
About the only quibble with the Phillies is their lefty-heavy starting corps, with Lee, Hamels, Jamie Moyer and J.A. Happ. (Then there's Joe Blanton and, when Pedro Martinez is ready, someone has to go).
Having so many lefties in the rotation "is OK," the AL executive said, "as long as they're good in the rotation."

It should be noted that the Dodgers have the NL's best team OPS against left-handed pitching (.819), and an 18-11 record when facing a southpaw starter.
What can't be measured is the psychological boost the Phillies got today. From a team that won the World Series, they have subtracted Pat Burrell and added Raul Ibanez and Lee. Amaro reportedly got an ovation from his team when he entered the clubhouse after the trade was finalized.
"I think it's important," Amaro said, "to show our guys on the field that we're making every effort to try to make us the best ballclub we can be."
The players know this move wasn't made to help them get to the playoffs, it was made to help them win in the playoffs again.
And they should.

















Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
7-29-2009 @ 7:41PM
btiggert3 said...
The Phils took the cheap way out and showed the city that they are not interested in winning at all costs. Lee is a nice add but not the tried and true pitcher they could have taken.
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7-29-2009 @ 9:44PM
rwwhit said...
b, what have all the other teams, that DID NOT win the world series last year, do to help their team? This is a big time deal that does not mortgage the future.
7-30-2009 @ 4:45AM
Hugh said...
I disagree. Lee is a perfect fit. Halladay is a prima-donna and costs almost twice as much as Lee. The Fightins are in good position for the stretch run and if the Pedro experiment works out, they will have an even stronger rotation to go with their very good bullpen and the league's best bats. The playoffs are gonna' be fun - again.
7-29-2009 @ 7:55PM
eeyore886 said...
Jacka-- Mark Shapiro...once again makes the Cleveland Indians the farm team for the whole major league...I cannot believe (although after living in this town all my life) that this jerk would trade the best pitcher/player on the team for what?...4 minor leaguers, 3 with possible injuries??? How much dumber does this guy get?
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7-29-2009 @ 8:46PM
daveenlakwood said...
the press lets mark shapiro off the hook again.....no tough questions..... lets them screw the fans............ fans outta run dolan and the gm outta town bye refusing to go to games.... or this sell every player for prospects will continue forever..........Mark Shapiro ran around Cleveland saying he had a blank check with Larry Dolans name on it...... guess what it was a lie..... cleveland fans call every sponsor and tell them if they support ruining the Indians.... you wont by their products
the team has been to the players 1 time in 7 yrs under this owner.....................this gm's press was a shovel full of bull crap
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7-29-2009 @ 9:11PM
Jim said...
Shapiro, PLEASE load up the minivan with you, Wedge and dummy Dolon and LEAVE TOWN!! Garko for single A pitcher, Battencourt for single A pitcher, Derosa for Bumb Perez and minor league pitcher AND Jeff Stevens who you traded to Cubs FOR Derosa is one of their best relievers!! It's obvious Dolon and Wedge have signed off on all your moves meaning you will all be back next year. I hope you enjoy the ball games in front of the 5000 fans who used to show up at Municipal Stadium. Dolon, PLEASE sell the team to ANYONE. Theres a show on HGTV which should be carved on your forhead. It's called "Over Your Head" It describes the 3 stooges running the Indians to a tee. Goodbye Tribe. I am out of here. Once again the white man has killed the Indians!!
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7-29-2009 @ 9:12PM
johnnynumber5 said...
I kind of like this deal for both teams. The Phillies get another bulldog in the rotation in Lee and a guy in Francisco that has 20/20 ability who will be great playing DH if they get to the world series, can start in the OF if injuries occur, has enough speed to pinch run and steal a base, solid defense in the OF if needed and would make a fantastic pinch hitter. Even though Cleveland didn't get Happ, Drabek, Brown or Taylor they still got a nice package of players. It's good because if the Pedro experiment doesn't work out he or Moyer can work out of long relief into the playoffs.
Let's not forget that before Carrasco's implosion in AAA this year he was seen as their best pitching prospect and one of the best pitching prospects in the minor leagues. 18 year old Jason Knapp (2nd RD 2008 draft) has 111 K's in 85 ip's in the minors this year, SS Jason Donald (3rd RD 2006 draft) has a good combination of (power, speed and average) skills, Lou Marson is basically a defensive catcher with good average and moderate power and 22 year old Carlos Carrasco has averaged about 9k's/9ip over his minor league career with very high upside.
Considering the players Cleveland gave up they got a pretty good group of prospects in return. Who the heck knows if any of them will turn out to be even service-able major league players but it's not as if Lee is a dominant pitcher by any stretch of the imagination. Lee has had 2 great years and doesn't have a power arm at all. I don't see the comparisons to Sabathia as apt at all. I would take Carrasco and Donald over Lee and Francisco so getting the other two prospects is like taking a flyer on them and hoping they develop into major league players.
I'll bet they fetch a kings ransom for Martinez if he is traded. If you look at the trades of Sabathia, De Rosa, Lee and Francisco the Indians have actually done very well for themselves. Now, that isn't something an Indians fan wants to hear especially after they were one win from the world series a few years back.
It probably would have been smarter to hold onto Lee for next year, hope to win and let him walk for the compensational draft picks as he would surely be one of the higher rated free agents in that class. Who knows but I think Shapiro needs to go at this point even though I think he has made good baseball deals.
I guess we will see Pavano, Wood and Martinez traded as well since Lee was dealt and he was their best pitcher.
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7-29-2009 @ 9:35PM
sonchopanza said...
Big fat Dolan does it again. Nobody goes to Indians games because the cheap ass owner and his lame brain GM have NO clue what they are doing. I wonder if they realize what asses they are making of themselves. None of their ideas have worked yet, never will.
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7-29-2009 @ 10:00PM
Bob said...
The Phils are a very good team. Lee will help them but he can't pitch every game. They need Hamels to step it up then that would be a great lefty one two. I think the Dodgers are still the best in the N.L. with the phils now right there with them. You may be even to throw the Cardinals in there now also. But the team that could pass them all up would be the Cubs. They have the best pitching in baseball, top to bottom, and if they could land Victor Martinez, inbetween, Lee, Ramerez, Soriono, and Bradley ? So much for needing a power left handed bat again. When the Cubs are healthy, as they are now, you can see what damage they they put on a pitcher. Victor Martinez would make them favorites. And would make one hell of a race.
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7-29-2009 @ 11:49PM
button62766 said...
After 35+ years as an Indians fan, I've finally reached the end of the line. They traded CC last year, now Lee. That's it, I'll never see a World Series Championship in my life time. OK Shapiro, now why don't you trade Victor Martinez and Grady Seizemore, we don't need any "good" players. After all now we're no better than the Pirates. We tradr all of our good players for crap.
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7-30-2009 @ 9:52AM
capecodderby said...
I agree with you 100%, I have been a fan of this team since 1948 and this is about as low as it can get. I think there should be a federal investigation into this ownership to see if some one is not getting paid under the table by other owners. I do hope the fans boycott the team and get rid of these people. Bill
7-30-2009 @ 12:44AM
Model12345 said...
As an Ohioan, I am REALLY disappointed in this season- I rarely have watched a game- too painful to watch. At this point, we have no team.
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7-30-2009 @ 12:57AM
daveenlakwood said...
Anyone that attends a Cleveland Indians minor league of prospects games is truly an ass-kissing Dolan lover...... MLB should suspend Dolan for impersonating an auctioneer..... his brother ruined the knicks, and he's ruining the Indians.... sell the team u dumb azz....... the gm blows holes in cheerios..... i heard GradySizemore and Victor at a bar talking and they said the Indians have the worst owner, manager, and gm in the major leagues..... Victor laughed when Grady said its like watching the three stoogies pretend they no baseball....... run Dolan outta town............. Spend your buck elsewhere...... boycott the indians.... let the old fart move the team..... cause til he's not the owner.... we will win nothing..... Larry Dolan the second most hated owner in Cleveland history.......... both traitors to the fans.....
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7-30-2009 @ 12:56PM
ajenergy said...
i agree 110%,i can't help but recall a few years ago when the dolans started this mindless activity by replacing a perfectly good to great score board at the jake to the tune of 8-10 million instead of investing it in a player to put them in ongoing contention. in the world of electronics prices de-escelate not escelate,what great business men !!
7-30-2009 @ 1:12AM
nocheeseplleaze said...
Not Cool....The Phillies should have tried to bring Brett Favre out of retirement, and taught him how to pitch....He still has a great arm, and who knows what type of potential he has, and what he could have brought to the team. Plus, it would have come out of nowhere, and would have made for a great story for the city of brotherly love!
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7-30-2009 @ 1:22AM
Don said...
When the Dolan's first purchased the Indians, I really thought Cleveland fans were lucky to have owners that were dedicated to bringing a Championship to our City. I cannot believe how Off-Base I was. They obviously think they are saving money by unloading all the Indians best players, but wait until they see how many fans will be willing to pay Major League Ticket Prices to watch a Minor League Baseball Team get their asses kicked day after day. Evidently the Dolan's never learned that to make money, you need to spend money. I for one, will not attend another Indians game, until they have another owner that is committed to to building a sound franchise rather than serving as a team that exists for the sole purpose of stocking contending Major League Teams. Cleveland is a joke to Major League Baseball.
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7-30-2009 @ 2:25AM
hotrodqd said...
sometimes too much talent or too much of a good thing is not all its made up too be ....go cubs go sox ....past examples detroit-yankees-mets so keep stock piling ...dont mean you get that ring you still got to play the games ...teams like pirates-texas-indians-old cubs irk me why you always trade instead of pay your good players ...remember the orioles-reds in the 70s great ball clubs now uggggh I like teams like rangers too but the summer heat tough on them players astros won in a dome
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7-30-2009 @ 2:34AM
hotrodqd said...
did indians talent up & get a new complex from tax payers & now cutting theyre payroll to fatten their walllets or are they building a strong base/foundation for the future ? if your farm system works good players are coming up every year & opens the door to more oppurtunities & for success it hasnt worked for some who tried but did for atlanta for years a entire decade of winning seasons I think
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7-30-2009 @ 3:13AM
hotrodqd said...
the world champion oakland A's line ups mgr billy martin owner chuck finley I can do the whole line up & pitchers same as reds-orioles-angels used to immulate them during whiffle ball batted right or left depended on who was up ...heck I might be able to do every team from that era invented indoor baseball game too (January cold) ...before computers sure shot hockey was cool so was other game til the rods bent lol i love fooseball still and those reggie bars & oh henry bars were delicious & bigger then this bite size junk today glass bottles-soda pop & dropping beer nuts in em ...shakin em up...clothes pins & ballcards in the spokes ..dang drew faces on those rookie cards-ryan-schmidt- uuugh lol dang
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7-30-2009 @ 5:09AM
Dvdfrnzwbr said...
Small market blues. Buy low and sell high. Dollar cost averaging.
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