The biggest fear of major league players, and their union -- and, now, Red Sox fans -- has reawakened. "The list" -- the names of the approximately 100 players who tested positive for steroids in 2003 -- has again been compromised, this time with Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz outed as users.According to the New York Times:
The information about Ramirez and Ortiz emerged through interviews with multiple lawyers and others connected to the pending litigation. The lawyers spoke anonymously because the testing information is under seal by a court order. The lawyers did not identify which drugs were detected.Now people will ask if the 2004 and 2007 World Series titles are "tainted," which is ridiculous, because there's no proof either player used that year -- and no proof their opponents didn't.
But this means more star players have been outed as cheats.
In a statement, Ortiz confirmed he was on the 2003 list, but dubiously claimed that he was not aware until Thursday.
"Based on the way I have lived my life, I am surprised to learn I tested positive. Two, I will find out what I tested positive for. And, three, based on whatever I learn, I will share this information with my club and the public. You know me -- I will not hide and I will not make excuses," Ortiz said.
It would certainly be a breath of fresh air if Ortiz is serious about being open, however, it is highly unlikely he didn't know about the failed test because, according to the Mitchell Report, the union informed all of the players on the now infamous list that they had tested positive no later than September 2004.
Ramirez, now with the Dodgers, has already been tainted, of course, with this year's 50-game suspension for a violation of Major League Baseball's drug policy (he took a banned substance that masks performance-enhancing drugs). But Ortiz is another story.
Immensely popular in Boston for his clutch homers and large personality, Ortiz once said that those caught using PEDs should be suspended for a year.
Ortiz said that he believes players are clean because testing is quite invasive, and if they test positive now, they should be thrown out of the game for the rest of the year. He said that players and whole teams should be tested "three or four times a year, that's it" which he thinks would give a good reading on who is or who isn't on steroids.Oops.
"I think you clean up the game by the testing. I test you, you test positive, you're going to be out. Period," Ortiz said. "If I test positive using any kind of banned substance I'm going to disrespect the game, my family, my fans and everybody. And I don't want to face the situation so I won't use it. I'm sure everybody is on the same page."
The lesson to learn, assuming the Times has good information, is that no matter how well you think you know a player, or no matter how loudly he protests, you can not tell whether he has the inner moral compass to avoid the temptation to cheat.
Update: Players' union executive director Don Fehr issued a statement Thursday afternoon in response to the Times report.
Today The New York Times, once again, reports what it asserts to be information contained in documents under court seal. And precisely for that reason, the Players Association will not, indeed cannot, comment on whether the information is accurate. But there should be no mistake. The leaking of information under a court seal is a crime. The active pursuit of information that may not lawfully be disclosed because it is under court seal is a crime. That its informants, according to the Times, are lawyers is both shocking and sad. That the Times is pursuing and publishing what it openly declares to be information which may not be legally disclosed is equally sad.Update: After homering in Boston's defeat of Oakland, Ortiz issued a statement:
We intend to take the appropriate legal steps to see that the court orders are enforced.
Today I was informed by a reporter that I was on the 2003 list of MLB players to test positive for performance-enhancing substances. This happened right before our game, and the news blindsided me. I said I had no comment because I wanted to get to the bottom of this.Update: Boston manager Terry Francona unsurprisingly said the Red Sox will support their slugger.
I want to talk about this situation and I will as soon as I have more answers. In the meantime I want to let you know how I am approaching this situation. One, I have already contacted the Players Association to confirm if this report is true. I have just been told that the report is true. Based on the way I have lived my life, I am surprised to learn I tested positive. Two, I will find out what I tested positive for. And, three, based on whatever I learn, I will share this information with my club and the public. You know me -- I will not hide and I will not make excuses.
I want to thank my family, the Red Sox, my teammates, and the fans for their patience and support.
"This blindsided everybody including David," Francona said. "I believe David is putting out a statement which ... I wanted to read it before I came up here. He's going to deal with this head on. I do think that today is probably going to be a difficult day to get answers you're looking for because there aren't any yet. He needs to find out, he's already made calls ... trying to find out some things today, and until he does, he won't have the answers to questions, but he will certainly deal with it as David always does, head on, and be open and be honest.
"David knows that ... I think David felt all day, a lot of caring from his teammates, and hopefully he knows we care about him. He has earned, as a person, that from us. And we will be very supportive as I hope we are with all our players and we'll get to the bottom of whatever needs to be get to the bottom of, and like I said, David will deal with this openly, but again, there's going to... it's not going to happen in the next 10 minutes.
"There's a lot of things that he's not aware of and like I said he will deal with it as he knows. But he needs to get some information, too.
"There needs to obviously be some pursuit of the truth... My concern today is David. Again, I understand the question, you're entitled to questions, I gave you the answers that I have today."

















Reader Comments (Page 1 of 7)
7-30-2009 @ 12:51PM
Hatrick said...
It was always evident that Ortiz juiced, Mr Clutch is now Mr Crutch. If Mlb had any integrity their WS would be annulled!
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7-30-2009 @ 1:12PM
into228 said...
AND IM A YANKEE FAN ENOUGH WITH THIS STEROID NONSENSE.
7-30-2009 @ 3:18PM
gwf13 said...
So why just the Red Sox....why not all the teams that have players on the list who were team members when the team won the WS.....its tough being a Yankee Fan............sour grapes
7-31-2009 @ 3:50AM
wat101718 said...
Everybody, especially the infants out there who use words like annulled and tainted, needs to get this through their heads...
Throughout the past two decades, EVERY SINGLE TEAM in MLB has had two or more inpact players that were using steriods and such, particularly 3-4 hitters and middle relievers/setup men. Teams without users had no chance, because they were playing against users on a nightly basis. It's been like that ever since the A's went to 3 straight World Series. How could anyone not know this? Didn't anyone watch the '02 Angels-Giants WS, with those lineups full of pro wrestlers and defensive linemen?
Seriously, quit wringing your hands, and stop trying to put particular teams and players in a vaccum. This is not a team by team thing. It's a league thing. The players union made it that way.
7-31-2009 @ 9:51AM
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7-30-2009 @ 12:52PM
dominofootwear said...
well...well....redsox fans.....and here you thought u guys were all clean.....guess not!!!!the entire game of baseball is dirty...and it reaches as high up as the commissioners offices...they all new what was going on....
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7-30-2009 @ 12:54PM
dominofootwear said...
MLB....IS A BUSINESS THAT IS COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTROL...CORRUPTION EXISTS THROUGHOUT....
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7-30-2009 @ 12:54PM
dominofootwear said...
MLB IS A BUSINESS THAT IS COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTROL....CORRUPTION EXISTS THROUGHOUT...
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7-30-2009 @ 12:58PM
TheHulk said...
David Ortiz blew with the twins and he blows now since testing...
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7-30-2009 @ 12:56PM
lindahbird said...
Now why am I not surprised, what a hypocrite! Hey Big Pappi join the crowd, you big liar!
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7-30-2009 @ 1:04PM
BIGPAPIZ73 said...
Hey why are you so cruel to Big Papi. I bet all the big hitters in baseball used PEDs because they are not just steroids. Some of the drugs were not banned at that time and now they are. Big deal. Watch baseball for the game and your favorite team. I could care less if they used them. It is ironic though that a New York paper came out with this story, and the Yankees are in first place. Now that is dirty since it is almost the end of the season with the Yankees in first.
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7-30-2009 @ 1:21PM
tonytiger18 said...
What a revelation!!!!!!!!!!!
Big Pappi, a Red Sox, was never metioned by Mitchell, a Red Sox official, nor was Manny when he was a Red Sox, but was fingered as a Dodger.
Coincidence? No, I don't think so.
All the Yankee players were mentioned by Mitchell.
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Yes, Yankee fans will not be forgiving or sensitie to Big Pappi: he deserves all the abuse that was bestowed on Arod,Bonds, Clemens, Manny, and all the other juicers.
He was embraced by the his fans as a God.
He is not only a cheater, but the biggest liar and hippocrite by suggesting punishment to others that the same as he did.
He along with Manny hid behind Mitchell while all the other guys were margilized.
Screw him and Mitchell too.
7-30-2009 @ 10:38PM
Patty said...
"Today The New York Times, once again, reports what it asserts to be information contained in documents under court seal. And precisely for that reason, the Players Association will not, indeed cannot, comment on whether the information is accurate. But there should be no mistake. The leaking of information under a court seal is a crime. The active pursuit of information that may not lawfully be disclosed because it is under court seal is a crime. That its informants, according to the Times, are lawyers is both shocking and sad. That the Times is pursuing and publishing what it openly declares to be information which may not be legally disclosed is equally sad.
We intend to take the appropriate legal steps to see that the court orders are enforced."
So the Times knowingly BROKE THE LAW in order to spread more libelous statements against the Red Sox. Terrific. All the yellow journalism that's fit to print.
7-30-2009 @ 1:04PM
greatqb44 said...
So Manny used in 03 and 09 but not 04 or 07?....Sure you wanna go with that,Ed?....The last part is right as we don't know if others were doing it to but let's not get silly here,Ed
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7-30-2009 @ 1:23PM
fourstarbarman2 said...
To Red Sox fan......LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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7-30-2009 @ 1:36PM
tonytiger18 said...
I am not gloating about Big Poopie.I have always felt that he was tainted.
But, I do feel vindicated that the truth about him was revealed. How many more guys on the Red Sox were not mentioned?
Hint: look at the guys that had career years with Big Poopie and then had awful years afterwards.
Mitchell should be brought on the carpet for his onesideness which hunt.He was hired to investigate HGH usage in baseball.He only revealed the guys that weren't RED SOX players!!!!!
I think that I should buy stock in companies that sell CROW,Because all of New England is now eating a lot of Crow!!!
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7-30-2009 @ 1:46PM
bajasmoke said...
I'm a Yankee fan and could care less. I'm tired of all this crap. Hell if they had steroids when the Babe was alive he himself would have probably used it.
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7-30-2009 @ 1:58PM
mthbwu said...
Had the Babe not consumed so many brewskies this coversation would have been muted. he would have had 1014 home runs
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7-30-2009 @ 2:08PM
Crimethnk said...
You're a douche, Ed Price. You are taking these completely unsubstantiated rumors as fact.
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7-30-2009 @ 4:31PM
Bill3JoanA said...
And it seems to me you are probably the same guy who laughed at Yankee fans who said the reports on Clemens, Giambi, ARod, or whomever were unsubstantiated. So now you have Ortiz and Rameriz in '03 on the list, Manny in '09 with a masking agent but you deny, deny...etc. Baseball needs to close the chapter, release the list, accept the results and get tougher today. You can not unring the bell so be fair to the leaked names, publish them all. Then mmake it a year first time, life ban the second time. Test everyone once a month. Period. Close the door now.