Being a Cleveland Indians fan can't be the easiest thing right now. As if the fact that the Tribe are scuffling their way through another long season at 42-60 isn't enough, a familiar feeling crept into the collective psyche of Indians fans everywhere on Wednesday afternoon. The Indians sent Cliff Lee to the Philadelphia Phillies along with Ben Francisco for four prospects -- pitcher Jason Knapp, pitcher Carlos Carrasco, catcher Lou Marson and shortstop Jason Donald. It's a trade that sounds the death knell for the Indians in 2009, and most likely in 2010 as well. Worse yet, it is nothing new for Indians fans, who just last summer saw the team send its ace CC Sabathia to the Milwaukee Brewers for four young prospects.
What's an Indians fan to think of all this? How are they supposed to see the light at the end of the tunnel? If there is one, it's hard to see.
"What we did was kind of look at this moment in time," Cleveland GM Mark Shapiro said in a conference call, announcing the trade, "critically examine our chances to contend next year, with the economic reality that we weren't going to be able to supplement or add to the club at all. ... We think that we put ourselves in position now to create an extended run of contention."
How jettisoning Cy Young Award winners in consecutive summers helps put a team in position for an extended run of contention remains to be determined. If Victor Martinez follows Lee out the door in the next day and a half, it will be even harder to figure out. Shapiro declined to comment on Martinez's status Wednesday.
Still, there's a lot more to all of this than just the Sabathia and Lee deals, because in reality, it's way too early to evaluate either trade. Sabathia worked out well for the Brewers last season, carrying them to the playoffs for the first time in 25 years, but then left for the big bucks and the bright lights of the Bronx.
Lee may turn out to be just what the Phillies need to win themselves a second consecutive World Series title.
Which is well and good for those teams, but what about the Indians? We won't know how things worked out for them until we see how all of these prospects turn out. Waiting shouldn't be too hard for the folks in Cleveland to do, because they've been waiting a very long time as it is. Still, right now, on the surface, it isn't looking very good.
"I still feel this team can contend next year. It'll be a young, exciting core of players," continued Shapiro, "It would be a Florida Marlins-type of a story, everything would have to go right."The problem with that is that it's been hills and valleys for the Indians since Shapiro took over.
The 21st century has been an odd one for the franchise. Shapiro was brought on to be the team's general manager in 2001 after John Hart left -- Hart being the architect behind one of the greatest offenses ever assembled in the '90s -- and Shapiro's tenure in Cleveland hasn't been all that glorious.
Yes, he pulled off one of the greatest heists in baseball history when he sent Bartolo Colon to the dying Montreal Expos for Grady Sizemore, Brandon Phillips and Lee, but now only one of those three players remain, and the Indians only have one playoff berth to show for their efforts.
There was also the deal that sent Ben Broussard to Seattle for Shin-Soo Choo in 2006 and the Indians have found themselves a solid corner outfielder for years to come. Well, unless he has to do military service in Korea or the team trades him because it can't afford him any longer.
For those two gems, there have been an awful lot of clunkers, and not just in the trade department. Let's look at some of Shapiro's recent decisions and see how they've turned out.
In July of 2007 the Indians gave Travis Hafner a four-year, $57 million extension after his MVP-caliber 2006 season. Since then Hafner has been getting paid to spend the majority of his time on the disabled list, and when he has been on the field, he hasn't lived up to his contract.
That same season, in April, Shapiro gave Jake Westbrook a three-year, $33 million extension. Since signing it Westbrook has made 30 starts compiling a 7-11 record in between frequent stops on the disabled list.
That's an awful lot of money that in retrospect could have been better spent -- possibly on keeping Sabathia or Lee in Cleveland.
Of course, all general managers make mistakes, it's the nature of the job, so those two examples can't be used to totally negate everything Shapiro has done. After the seasons Hafner and Westbrook were coming off of there probably weren't many GMs in the game who wouldn't have tried to lock them up long term.
There are other strikes against him, though. Despite the outward message that this team can contend next year, Shapiro's actions seem to counter that at every step.
Common sense alone tells us that there's no way Eric Wedge should still be managing this team. Wedge came to Cleveland in 2003, and so far his legacy has been that he either manages a team that comes close to the precipice of success only to choke it away when it's all on the line (2005 and 2007) or a team that fails to meet any of the lofty expectations placed upon them (2006, 2008 and 2009).
"I think I understand and sympathize with a fan's focus and desires, always in that moment and that juncture in time," Shapiro said in response to negative fan reaction. "What I'd say is that just like any decision that's challenging for a general manager, you have one eye on the immediacy of the moment and one eye on building something that provides them with a championship. And if I had both eyes only on the immediacy of this moment, and hadn't executed the deal, I don't feel like we could have put ourselves in position to be a championship-caliber team again."Maybe Shapiro is right. Maybe he has laid the groundwork to build the Indians into a contender again. Maybe by 2011 the Indians will win 100 games and stampede through the playoffs on their way to their first World Series victory since 1948.
Unfortunately for Shapiro, and Wedge, they haven't done much so far to prove that they should be around if and when that happens.

















Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
7-30-2009 @ 11:43AM
Tony and Lynne said...
I said this befor the stupid trade of yesterday. Number one,Dolan doesnt have the money to put a repectafull team on the field and he should sell the team to someone that can Shipero should go as he makes stupid trades for top notch players ( nly prospects) Wedge is an idiot,he doesnt know when topull pitchers and his shuffling of players out of their regular positions is incredable.He must go along with Willis the Pitching coach. Tony
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7-30-2009 @ 12:55PM
Frank and Angela said...
It could be worse. You could be Pirates fans.
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7-30-2009 @ 1:28PM
Bob said...
Thank God we still have the Browns....Oh God...wah wah wah
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7-30-2009 @ 1:29PM
HI BRIAN said...
well, we always have the Browns......no wait...oh my God...we do dont we ... wah wah wah
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7-30-2009 @ 3:08PM
Adam said...
At least they don't have Drew and Dice K.
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7-30-2009 @ 6:00PM
joemc868 said...
As an Indian fan for 60 years.........it's a
disgrace to keep dealing your A players......
life is a lark these days so the basics we
practiced years ago mean nothing to these new
A-holes............
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7-31-2009 @ 1:18AM
daveenlakwood said...
pretty easy to see where we are going..... facts are facts.... Gm Mark Shapiro is an idiot that traded three Cy young winners and where did the last two get use....to one of the worst records in the league under a rject Wedge manager who couldn't develope diaper rash on an infant. The oowner is the worst in Major league baseball, and as soon as a star developes, on goes the blue light special.... all the real teams love that the Cleveland Indians are like an additional minor league team farming our players to them for their so called washed up prospects... Wedge, Shapiro and Dolan are modern day three stoogies... the same kind of owners, gms, and managers that have screwed the fans for 45 years without a championship..... yet we keep building them new staduims for crap records.... when the Indians were close.... the gm refused to go get a player to put us over the drop.... the players privately think he's a stupid gm, and they also do not think wedge will ever win crap... ask them off the record..... the radio show loves the losing cause it creates a frustrated audience for them to laugh and hang up on.... Greg Brenda goes off on fans all the time for being frustrated about not winning a championship, but all of a sudden he's crying about the Lee trade.... and Tony Rizzo today says hey man Shapiro cant improve the team unless he makes trades.... Rizzo the same guy that claims he's over the Browns for 40 years of losing..... clean house in the media and bring in some writers, and hosts, that will barbacue these owners and gms and managers when they lose year after year..... like the NY press does..... it works they win! Our media is full of letter carriers for the gm press releases.... meanwhile the fans have to put up with our big players being traded for prospects that take years to develope.... and by the way, who has Wedge developed? Bet you Wedge is back again.... and fans keep filling the Dolan wallet of no return......Goooooooooooooooooooooo yankees................more of us outta wear caps from other cities and stop rooting for loser owners, loser gms, loser, managers.... Mr Lerner and Mr. Dolan you both have ruined this city sportswise..... the city has the finest fans, and you are both full of crap.... I will not buy a ticket to anything til u hoist a trophy.... cause you're almost getting to the players, or almost getting to the world series, is not success, it sucks and both of you would be fired in any other line of work with your miserable records....
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7-31-2009 @ 7:42AM
Meyer said...
Just heard Shapiro traded Martinez for Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, Dottie Hansen, and Roy Hobbs
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7-31-2009 @ 11:22AM
cahillio said...
I am done with this team..absolute crap..I will not go to another game til Larry Dolan sells theis team. The good Mr. Jacobs is rolling over in his fresh grave after this shit...
if you are on facebook join the group "I wont watch the Cleveland Indians til Larry Dolan sells the team"...think of it like a petition..if we get enough names we will be sending it to that joke of a baseball team.
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7-31-2009 @ 1:02PM
Jerry said...
Perfect, a couple more trades and we should be competetive to play the Akron minor league team with whats left of the Indians.( no promises )
Trader Lane is back and well in Cleveland.
Best you schedule a lot of rock concerts at the stadium cuz there sure wont be many baseball fans filling the seats.
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7-31-2009 @ 5:04PM
Tony and Lynne said...
Shipero did it again,trading an all star for minor league players whose stats are not good and one had tommy john surgery.Again i say Dolan should sell the team,sheoiro,wedge and Willis shoul be fired.I will not go to another Indians game as long as the above 3 idiots are still there. TONY A
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8-01-2009 @ 1:49PM
padre51 said...
All you young tribe fans that werent around in the 60's, 70's and 80's now know what the franchise has always been. This "leadership" has proven themselves to be baseball morons beyond incompetent. If you continue to support them (even if you go to games on free tickets) you can only blame yourselves because it will continue.
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8-01-2009 @ 3:02PM
garymyford said...
Cleveland is a minor tv market and the management and ownership is minor too. I am 54 yrs old, and still have not seen a championship in all those yrs. The Cavaliers have gotten competitive due to have a star. Hopefully they can keep him and not let money get in the way of keeping him, like the Indians have passed on Sabathia, Lee, and Martinez over money. Surely Shapiro is pulling an April Fools joke on us. Tell me we did not get nothing of value for these star players! Don't gm's in management of businesses get fired for incompetence?
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8-01-2009 @ 3:14PM
Roy said...
Unbeilievable. I am sick of sitting back and being fed this whole "we will be a contender" and "looking to the future" crap. Shapiro has gutted our team, for what? More 'prospects'? I have Until 1. Dolan sells the team, he really couldn't afford in the first place. 2. Mark Shapiro gets fired and gets a front office job with his Red Sox buddies. 3. Wedge goes bye-bye along with his manpal Willis. I will not watch or listen to games on the radio, or spend a dime on merc. Victor and Cliff thanks for the ride we will miss you both, and I hope you get your rings, then punch Shapiro in his fat face and leave a nice dent. I'm checking out, another fan has left the building. Hell I think even the drum guy has tossed his sticks on the field and said **ck this **it.
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8-01-2009 @ 4:32PM
sillyro said...
WELL, I HAD TO TRY TO GET SOME SLEEP BEFORE I WROTE THIS. BUT WHAT SLEEP DID I GET WHEN YOU SELL THE FRANCISE OF THE INDIANS. YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING GETTING RID OF MARTINEZ, HE WAS THE INDIANS. HE WAS THE LEADER AND YOU ALL WENT AHEAD AND GOT RID OF HIM,. HE WANTED TO REMAIN A INDIAN FOR HIS ENTIRE CARREER BUT YOU HAVE BUNCH OF NO BEAT PEOPLE RUNNING OUR INDIANS. WHAT JACOB MADE THIS TEMA IT DID NOT TAKE YOU PAFOOMS TO TEAR IT APART. I WAtch the Indians win but let mew tell you it was not the feeling oF joy I thought of Martinez and how he was not there he was the francisE the Indian above all Indians.IT TORE MY HEART OUT TO SEE THE INTERVIEW HE HAD WITH THE REPORTERS- I MEAN THE MARTINEZ INTERFERE. YOU CAN TELL HE WAS UPSET. HOW CAN YOU GET RID OF HIM AND THNK SHOPPACH THE STRIKEOUT KING AND PASS BALLS Catcher can do anyTHING. IF YOU HAD NO MONEY TO HANDLE THE INDIAN THEN YOU CHOULD HAVE NOT EVEN BOUGHT THE INDIANS YOUR MAKEING THE INDIANS A LAUGHING STOCK OF CLEVELAND. DO THEY NOT HAVE ENOUGH OF BAD JOIKES ABOUT US THAT YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEWN ADDED AMMUNITION. SELL THE TEAM IF YOU CSNNOT SUPPORT THIS TEMA AND GIVE US A WINNER-- INSTEAD YOU ALL ARE GIVING US A WEINNER OF A TEAM. INSTEAD OD GETTTING RID OF THE PLAYERS MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE FIRED SHAPIRO AND WEDGE. IF HARGROVE WAS MANAGER HE WOULD HAVE BEEN FORED A LONG TIME AGO. LOOK AT HARGROVES STSUS WITH THE TEAM HE WAS A WINNER BUT THEY STILL GOT RID OF HIM. THEN RICK MANNING WHAT IN THE HELL HE IS A PRIMADONNA OF SHARPIRO YESTERDAY WITH HIS INTERVIEW IN THE PRESS BOX HE WOULD NOT EVEN LOOK AT UNDERWOOD. THEN HE FINALLY ANSWERED HIS QUESTIONS BUT IN A TERM THAT WAS TO TOO FACTORY ORIENTED. THEN RICH MANNING TAPPING HIM ON HIS SHOULDER COME ON WHAT DID HE LOSE NOTHING. BUT WE Fans lost IT ALL A GOODS SET OF FRANCIS PEOPLE THET YOU ALL ARE TO CHEAP TO KEEP. ONCE THEY ARE GOOD AND THEN THEY WANT MORE OUT THEY GO. WHAT A BUNCH OF BAFOOMS WE HAVE RUNNING THIS ORGANIZATION. WE ARE BACK AT PHIL SEGHI AREA--WE HAD A BAD TEAM. YOU ALL JUST WANT NOT TO GET INVOLVE IN LUXURY TAx just take the money and put it in your own pockets and do nothing for the team or the fans. like you all are threatening us to go see a minor league team. we still ahve Sizemore, Choo, JhOnny, caberra,CArmona, and westbrook BUT WHEN ARE YOU PLANNING TO GET RID OF THEM PLEASE MARTA HE SHOWED ME NOTHING LAST NIGHT JUST AS USUSAL. BALL PLAYER THAT CANNOT GET THE GUY HOME FROM 3RD WITH LESS THEN 2 OUT--GET REAL. WE ALWAYS GET RID OF THE GOOD PlAyer and the ones that want TO STAY HERe. why in sam hell did you buy the indians to make a laughing stock out of what jacobs got us to be respectable again. you all have to go--polease go and you all can leave the front door. please sell the teams to someone that cares for ther indians and the fans.
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8-03-2009 @ 4:56PM
Don said...
The answer to "What is the plan in Cleveland" is that THERE IS NO PLAN. Fact is, that Shapiro has become the Dolan's stooly. He is to get rid of the players that can reduce the teams salary by as much as humanly possible, since the Dolan's don't have and/or don't want to spend any money. I hate to say it, but the Indians have become the Gabe Paul's and Frank Lane's of this decade. They have no money, don't want to spend any money, and need to keep peddeling the players that are groomed in their farm system, just to stay afloat. Dolan need to find another Dick Jacobs out there, and do the Indians fans a favor and sell the team. If they don't, Cleveland will ultimately lose the Indians franchise because the Dolan's will clam that the fans won't support a team in Cleveland any longer. Fact is, Cleveland holds the major league record for consecutive sell-out crowds. Put a decent team on the field, and Cleveland will support it.
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