NEW YORK (AP) -- David Ortiz thinks legal supplements and vitamins likely caused him to land on a list of alleged drug users circulated by the federal government, and Major League Baseball and the players' association said some of the names on it never tested positive for steroids.MLB said in a statement Saturday that at most 96 urine samples tested positive in the 2003 survey‚ and the players' association said 13 of those were in dispute.
The government seized the samples and records the following year from baseball's drug-testing companies as part of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative investigation into Barry Bonds and others. The list of 104 players said to have tested positive, attached to a grand jury subpoena, is part of a five-year legal fight, with the union trying to force the government to return what federal agents took during raids.
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"I definitely was a little bit careless back in those days when I was buying supplements and vitamins over the counter‚ legal supplements, legal vitamins over the counter‚ but I never buy steroids or use steroids," Ortiz said during a news conference that began about 3 1/2 hours before his Boston Red Sox played the New York Yankees.
"I never thought that buying supplements and vitamins, it was going to hurt anybody's feelings."
The New York Times reported last month that Ortiz and Manny Ramirez were on the 2003 list and said in June that Sammy Sosa was on it. In February, Sports Illustrated reported Alex Rodriguez was on the list, and Rodriguez later admitted using Primobolan from 2001-03.
"I never thought that buying supplements and vitamins, it was going to hurt anybody's feelings."
-- David OrtizOrtiz said that when he met with union general counsel Michael Weiner in 2004, he wasn't told he tested positive for steroids. Weiner, who has been designated to succeed union head Donald Fehr, said that because the list is under court seal, the union can't confirm to Ortiz that he tested positive, only that he was on the list.
"I want to apologize to fans for the distraction, my teammates, our manager," Ortiz said, flanked by Weiner, with Boston manager Terry Francona standing behind and to the side. "This past week has been a nightmare to me."
Some players past and present‚ notably Hall of Famer Hank Aaron‚ have called for the entire list to be released.
"Sure, there are some people who say 'Why don't we just get this story over with and get the list out?'" Weiner said. "I think to do that would 1) be illegal, and 2) be wrong. It's illegal because it's covered by court order, and it would be wrong because a promise was made by the commissioner's office and the union to every player who was tested in 2003 that the results would be anonymous."
Ortiz is against the list becoming public.
"I don't think that I would really like to see another player going through what I've been through this past week," he said.
Ortiz said he has tested negative about 15 times since baseball's program with penalties began in 2004 and additional times for the World Baseball Classic. The Red Sox issued a statement backing him.
"There are substantial uncertainties and ambiguity surrounding the list of 104 names," the Red Sox said. "David Ortiz is a team leader, and his contributions on the field and in the community have earned him respect and a special place in the hearts of Red Sox Nation."
Ortiz said the report that he was on the list weighed on him‚ since it came out July 30, he is batting .188 with two homers and six RBIs, part of a season-long slump.
"This past week, I've been really confused and frustrated," he said. "I started looking for answers, and nobody gives me an answer."
Citing court orders, Weiner wouldn't say whether the union asked courts to authorize an investigation into the leaks, which it claims are illegal. Times spokeswoman Catherine Mathis did not respond to an e-mail and telephone message seeking comment.
Weiner did say that if the union wins the legal fight to have the records returned, which may end up before the Supreme Court, it likely would comply with requests from players on the list to tell them what they were said to have used.
"Given the uncertainties inherent in the list, we urge the press and the public to use caution in reaching conclusions based on leaks of names, particularly from sources whose identities are not revealed," Major League Baseball said in a statement.
Three U.S. District Courts have sided with the union, saying the material must be returned by the government. A three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals agreed with the prosecutors, but that decision was thrown out and 11 judges from the 9th Circuit heard arguments last December. A decision is pending.
Weiner said Ortiz had been put in a difficult position.
"His reputation has been called into question. He does not know specifically why. And he can't get the information that would allow him to offer a full explanation," Weiner said.
The survey was designed to determine whether baseball needed mandatory random drug testing with penalties starting in 2004, with a 5 percent threshold for positives triggering future testing. While the exact number of 2003 positives was subject to dispute, the sides never worked that out because they agreed the percentage was over the threshold.
"Substantial scientific questions exist as to the interpretation of some of the 2003 test results," Weiner said. "The more definitive methods that are utilized by the lab that administers the current drug agreement were not utilized by the lab responsible for the anonymous testing program in 2003. The collective bargaining parties did not pursue definitive answers regarding these inconclusive results, since those answers were unnecessary to the administration of the 2003 program."Each of the 1,438 tests in 2003 were actually two tests‚ an initial sample and a follow-up five-to-seven days later designed to screen out then-legal substances, such as androstenedione. While both tests needed to be positive under baseball's program, it's possible the government is counting single positives.
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Comments (Page 1 of 4)
So we spend 6 years with the Twins and average 10 hrs a year...we then go to Red Sox in 03 and start jacking 45 and 50 a year....Nooooooooooo roids here
Ok, so the Big Poopie tries to lie is way out of it. Manny is an ass but at least he was honest. BIG LIES FROM THE BIG POOPIE.
And those years with the Twins were at the Metrodome-not exactly a pitcher's paradise.
OHHHH...it was just supplements and vitamins that he tested positive for.
Of course that explains everything Big Hoppi.
Nevermind.
First Manny and now Poopie. Looks like the Red Sox always needed extra help to win the world series. First the Cheatriots and now the Cheatsox. New England area has fine sportsmanship.
Before we jump to conclusions this man deserves a fair hearing and an NAACP Representative.... Sincerely,..... President Barack Obama.
i guess, that's plausible. sorta...but for god's sakes david, don't let your cat near your computer!! they surf for nasty sick perverted things on the intardnets.
Ok im not a fan of Big Poppy and if he did use roids to get ahead, those I feel sorry for are all the Kids he's worked with over the yr's. To promote baseball. Now how do you explain that 2 kids who considered you there Hero. If he did he needs to make amends pure and simple . David it's time to STEP UP To The Plate.
When Alex's name was put on that list, Ortiz stated "Any player who tested positive for Steriods or HGH should served 100 day suspension".
Well, I suggest you sit down "LITTLE PAPI" and start serving those 100 days!!! :-)
Didn't you bother to read the article? MLB has confirmed that not everyone on the list tested positive for steroids. I happen to believe Ortiz. Knowing that the list was no longer secure, he would have kept his mouth shut in the Spring if he actually knew he took steroids. I hope some of these writers (like Mariotti) get sued for millions of dollars when/if all the details are released.
Hey Glenn,
today, you are in a deep state of denial.
There is no doubt from all the statistics that Big Poopie put together over the years, that there is something amiss from before becoming a Red Sox to when he became a Red Sox, not coincidental the years that he ALLEGEDLY was taking something.
This guy became superman, Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, and a moster hitter the year he joined the Sox. Manny became the greatest hitter since 1860 when he became a Red Sox, before he was just a very good player.
The numbers speak for themselves, period.
He took STUFF, Arroyo said it, and Manny implied it when he said upon the news being made public:
: Ain't no big deal, me and Pappi can hit off a mountain."
Tori Hunter, a former Twin teammate, said nothing suprises me about what people do in the dark.
He was the Big Pappi, the guy who got all those big hits for Boston, shaking his head.
This guy is a filthy lying cheat that pointed his finger at the other guys instead of saying : Yeah, I was stupid, I took some stuff then, but haven't since.
No, he didn't man up(just like Bonds) and take the bullets the way Giambi, Pettite and Arod did.
I believe you Roger, I mean Mark, sure David , wink, wink...
What a load of B.S. Is the media going to go after him like they did with A-Rod and if not, why not? It
also obliterates the credibility and supposed objectivity of the Mitchell Report which indicated
no Red Sox players were using PED'S.This from a man
(George Mitchell) who owns a small piece of the Red Sox,gee what a surprise.
I knew it. "Gee, I don't know what I took and they won't tell me, so........." What a BS story and what a freaking coward!
The Boston Sports media, aka "friends of Ortiz", won't dare "rake him" on this dog and pony show. They'd rather be "friends" with a player than to write what they should. What a bunch of pansies.
most of us can't stop laughing, ortiz has had what almost a week to come up with a lie that people would believe. this lie won't fly with intelligent fans. as good of a man as he is with his free time. his accomplishments are now tarnished forever as a player.
When you are addicted to a life style and a substance, you will say anything to get the regular folks away from you. THE BIGGEST liars ARE THOSE WHO STATE THEY ONLY TOOK VITAMINS AND LEGAL STUFF. give us a goddamn break here Ortiz
Some of you guys are so stupid. There are a number of ingredients in over-the-counter bodybuilding supplements that could have landed a player on that list. For example, Rashard Lewis (NBA) just tested positive because he took a supplement that contained DHEA. These are all things you can buy at your local GNC.
the players have come to the conclusion, that nothing will happen so game on; they have and will continue to use, the whole Texas Rangers are on it, watch them walk, take a hard look, most can hardly can walk. muscle bound??? no steriods.
Same old shit this generation of baseball players are nothing but a bunch of cry baby liers and dope users. My MAMA must have put the shit in my Wheateas.