BOSTON -- Mike Scioscia was perfectly happy to rip the men in blue for the Angels' loss to the Red Sox on Wednesday (and he had good reason to do so).Torii Hunter preferred to question the men in red. Angels red.
"You don't change nothing because it's the Red Sox, or the Yankees, or whoever it may be," Hunter said after a 9-8 loss on two runs in the bottom of the ninth inning at Fenway Park. "You play nervous, you're going to make mistakes.
"Show some nuts."
The Angels are 0-3 on their Eastern swing, losing Monday at Yankee Stadium on a bad throw on a steal attempt, Tuesday by messing up two Red Sox bunts and Wednesday on a number of defensive lapses before some questionable calls resulted in a Brian Fuentes blown save.
"We choked every time," Hunter said. "So it's not good.
"But it's good to see, see who's going to choke, see what's going on. I hope it's not because of what I'm thinking."
"There's some sick talent in here. I love this team. I love 'em. I love 'em to death. To win, we've got to show nuts."
-- Torii Hunter Meaning, he hopes it's not because his teammates are intimidated or tight because they're playing powerhouse teams on the road late in the season.
But he certainly strongly suspects it.
This is only Hunter's second season in Los Angeles, but he knows this is a team that has lost in the first round of the playoffs the past two years. He saw his 100-win team nearly get swept by Boston a year ago, losing the first two ALDS games at home and bowing out in four.
In Wednesday's game the Angels let a 3-0 lead get away in the fifth because shortstop Erick Aybar dropped the ball on a force play at second and second baseman Howie Kendrick bobbled a possible double play ball.
L.A. rallied to take the lead in the seventh, then gave it away in the eighth as Kevin Jepsen and Darren Oliver combined for two walks and a wild pitch.
And after Bobby Abreu's tie-breaking single in the top of the ninth, Fuentes loaded the bases on a two-out walk and two infield hits. Light-hitting infielder Nick Green, pinch-hitting for Casey Kotchman, might have gone around on his 0-2 checked swing, and then he took a 3-2 pitch that looked like a strike but was called a ball by Rick Reed, forcing in the tying run.
Alex Gonzalez finished off the rally with a soft single that fell in front of left fielder Juan Rivera, who never left his feet.
Scioscia said he "didn't need a replay, did not need a replay, did not need a replay" to know the last pitch to Green was a strike."What was the count at the end," the Angels' manager said, "three-and-four to Green?"
Fuentes said, "It seems like sometimes, especially here and some other places, [umpires] get a little bit timid to make the call. ... It just seems like the way it is. You hear it time and time again from other guys. They get the same thing happen when they come through."
Hunter wouldn't go there.
He directed his second-guessing inside his clubhouse.
"We lost that game a long time ago [before the ninth]," he said. "We made too many mistakes. You make mistakes to a veteran team like Boston that knows how to play the game, you're going to lose the game. I'm pissed. I'm pissed off.
"Hopefully you can learn from that. That's part of baseball. If you can't learn from that, you shouldn't be in the big leagues. That's what I say.
"You don't let a crowd or an atmosphere change anything."
In these three games, the Angels have left 30 men on base (14 on Wednesday) and hit .200 with men in scoring position.
"Tonight we had more offensive opportunities that we didn't cash in on and opened the door for them defensively," Scioscia said. "So I think the game's bigger than that ninth inning where all that focus is."
The he added, "I don't think we're that far out of kilter."
With the Rangers unable to muster any runs, the Angels are going to make the playoffs. And Hunter said there's enough time for the Angels to get straightened out.
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The problem, he repeated, is inside the jock strap.
"There's some sick talent in here," Hunter said. "I love this team. I love 'em. I love 'em to death.
"To win, we've got to show nuts."
This is why Hunter is one of baseball's best leaders. He wants his teammates to read these quotes, to know he suspects them of getting tight in the spotlight. He has earned credibility in the game, and in his clubhouses in Minnesota and Anaheim.
So much so that he could give voice to the question that almost anyone else would leave unspoken:
"If you do this in the regular season," Hunter said, "what's going to happen in the playoffs?"











Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Tori Hunter is a team leader if not THEE team leader he has the right to say this.
And Mike Scioscia NEVER,NEVER,EVER calls out the umps to the point that sometimes it makes me sick.
Tonight however he was right to do do.If that check swing wasn't a strike the next pitch was.
But Fuentes is the closer so he needs to come in and close, not walk guys, not give up seeing eye singles, close it out.
And as far as needing to show some nuts...Hey Juan Rivera I love you brother but c'mon you didn't even need to dive for the ball but you could've at least kept running towards it.
GOOD JOB TORI THERE'S A TIME AND A PLACE FOR IT AND THIS WAS THE TIME AND THE PLACE.
There was a lot more to the game than Green's at bat. Both teams made errors....most notably was Varitek's first passed ball of the season on a 3rd strike with 2 outs and the bases loaded.
The Ump had a strange day. He changed his stike zone innings 1-6...to calling the high strike innings 7-9. Strange game.
Torii is absolutely right! The team needs to grow the jewels that will get them past this mental roadblock. The Angels have all the talent needed to go all the way. They just need to tap into it, and show what they're capable of.
The Indians have choked this season too...but it has been the whole season. They need some nuts too lol.
sr7376: I remember there being the usual articles in the spring about how the Indians were going to win the division and how everyone else in the division was weak. These articles have appeared regularly for the last five years and the Indians have yet to fulfill their destiny. After watching them make a couple of dumb little errors and botch a simple foul-ball catch against the Twins yesterday, I have to wonder if "choke" is a good word to use to describe them. A better use of "choke" is what the Twins have done in their chase of the Tigers: they should be in first by four games right now. I think we both follow teams that occasionally make us question our sanity.
The Indians are still playing this year? I thought the season ended in April with a Wedgie.
Sometimes you have to show some nuts and dive after a ball, especially if it could decide the game. Yeah, it's too bad your uniform will get dirty, you might eat some dirt, but Juan Rivera, that's what your llllaaaaazzzzzyyyyy ass gets paid to do.
Hey Torii, you should have looked into the "Angels choking" BEFORE you signed with them, they have done that for years and years now. You can always count on them to fall apart as soon as the playoffs start.
Players know that you are not going to get the close calls in Boston or New York. Major League Baseball wants the Yankees and Sox in the playoffs and the umpires know it. This is not a knock against the teams it is above all a business and they produce the most revenue dollars mainly thru TV.
Stupid comment!!!
MLB wants the Red Sox & Yanks in the playoffs, so what does that mean -- the umps are manipulating the game?
The Yanks and the Sox get all the calls?
Really now -- the Angels never get any calls?
Don't blame the umps for all the mental errors that your team makes. Sciossa should know better.
You can't beat a real good team like the Sox if you don't execute. Give credit to the Sox, they took advantage of the Angels' mistakes, that what good teams do.
No lame excuses!!
I watched that game last night and Green's last pitch was a strike, not a ball, according to NESN's Amica "pitch zone" replay. The angels should have won that game, had it rightfully been called a strike.
I noticed nobody on the Angels side complained when all the outside pitches that were balls got a strike call. Grow up people, it was a game. A good game at that. Bottom line, both teams made mistakes and one team has a win. Get over it.
papam you are right to, that shouldve been strike 3 . Tori at least isnt blaming it on one call, the Angels had all kinds of chances to win that game but thats nothing new to them. Flam, your comment is without fact . Umpires simply make mistakes and bad calls from time to time. I've seen plenty of calls go against the Sox also. Its part of the game and happens everywhere. I defy anyone to stand behind a plate for hours and not miss a call now and then. Just seems Yankees/Red Sox haters cry about it more. The Yanks and Sox get screwed as often as any else, just everything is magnified because of the increased coverage they get.
YOU ALL SUCK!!!!!
Must be jealous.
One thing I know for sure -- if Torii was playing left field instead of Juan Rivera, it would have gone to a 10th inning.
Who watches baseball? OMG what a sheltered boring life.
How good is YOUR life commenting on something that people who have no life watch.
When you can't "show some nuts", at least show "you gotta sack" ..........
he's right....the red sox own the angels since '86! juan rivera has got to lay out for the fly ball...what was that?