In Advanced Scouting, MLB FanHouse's professional talent evaluator breaks down the playoffs from a scouting perspective.It's easy to be pessimistic after a team suffers a crushing loss, mostly because fans and broadcasters alike like to zone in on intangibles like momentum and the players' psyche. But if you are a New York Yankees fan and looking for reasons to be worried, there are some perfectly logical and tangible ones to focus on.
From the performance of Joba Chamberlain, to many of the Yankee hitters' struggles against the breaking ball, to the decision most New York fans will be screaming about, the removal of David Robertson from the game in the 11th inning in favor of Alfredo Aceves, there are more than enough tangible reasons to be concerned about the Yankees. And from a scouting standpoint, there are certainly points of intrigue in New York's weaknesses.
Those watching Monday evening saw the shot of Joe Girardi hurrying to his book of matchups and scouting reports in the dugout and soon after deciding to lift Robertson in favor of Aceves. The obvious question is what exactly was in that book? Well, let's take it from the top. Robertson, a right-hander, throws a fastball at 91-94 mph with what scouts like to a call late hop. He likes to change eye levels and gets swings and misses up with the fastball, and down with his plus 12-6 curveball. He has back-end-of-the-'pen type stuff.
Aceves, on the other hand, has more of a starter's approach, pitching to contact with a number of pitches to which he can turn. He has mostly been working at 89-91 with the fastball in recent outings, but what is concerning is the feel for his secondary pitches. In his playoff outings, his breaking balls have been elevated, often backing up on him over the plate.
So, what was Girardi's line of thinking? He's unlikely to read off his scouting report to the media, but it obviously came down to the advanced scouting. The Yankees have had fits with Howie Kendrick since he arrived in the big leagues, mainly because they just can't seem to be able to get inside on him. With that in mind, it looked like with Aceves they were hoping to get him out away with soft stuff on pitches moving to the outside. Keep in mind that, just innings earlier, he had pounded a 96-mph fastball off of Joba Chamberlain for a triple.Kendrick is a hitter that needs to be attacked with patterns and a mix of speeds. He pounds the fastball, and especially against New York, doesn't seem to let many mistakes get by him. All three of his hits on Monday came off some kind of fastball -- cutters from Pettitte and Aceves and straight heat from Chamberlain. Robertson tends to let the fastball ride high with his four-seamer, and with Kendrick's approach it's likely the Yankee manager sensed a repeat of his at-bat against Chamberlain.
Regardless of the scouting report favoring Aceves' style against Kendrick, it's questionable whether a scouting report should trump the consideration of recent performances. Robertson has been free and easy of late, getting through his fastball, getting to the outside corner on righties, and commanding his sharp breaking ball. Aceves has been quite the opposite, looking tentative in recent outings and appearing to push his breaking ball. Many will call out Girardi for relying on the scouting report rather than having a feel for how his current pitcher is looking and conversely how shaky Aceves has looked lately.
Spotlight Moment
For all the talk of Vladimir Guerrero's demise, the man sure can still turn on an inside fastball. More specifically, it was a cut fastball from Andy Pettitte that Guerrero launched into the left-field bullpen on Monday. There are a few good rules to live by against Guerrero. If you go up, it better be way up. And if you go low, the pitch better be very low. But most importantly, if you are going inside you better proceed with some great caution.
The Yankees might have gotten a little too bold with Guerrero in this case, as Pettitte went in with fastballs or cut fastballs on the inside part of the plate with five out of the six pitches in the at-bat. With his free-swinging style and Pettitte's assortment of secondary pitches, you have to wonder why Guerrero did not see a pitch that was bounced in the dirt. But, as Jorge Posada said in his post-game interview, it was a location mistake with the cutter. The pitch was intended to be inside but not around thigh high where it ended up. He may not be quite the same, but Vlad proved once again how dangerous it is to pitch him inside and how small the margin for error is.
Quick Hits
• Throwing 96-97 mph, the concern right now about Joba Chamberlain is not velocity. He has not quite gotten back to the 98-99 mph range we saw to in 2007, but the drop in speed is still not the central issue. Whatever the root mechanical issue is, Joba continues to struggle to get the fastball to the outside corner against right-handed hitters. The biggest concern, though, is the slider. Chamberlain looks late with his arm right now and is getting around the slider. The result is those spinning breaking balls with lateral movement but little tilt. It's a mechanical issue that the Yankees will need to get sorted out.
• The Angels are loaded with right-handed pitchers with quality breaking balls. In particular, John Lackey and Jered Weaver possess big, 12-6 curveballs. When they've had command of those pitches, they have given New York fits. You can bet that the the big breaking ball to their left-handed hitters diving down and in is in their book of advanced scouting reports. Melky Cabrera, Mark Teixeira, and Nick Swisher, three of the Yankees' switch-hitters, have been unable to capitalize against Los Angeles' right-handed pitching primarily because of those pitches. All three of those hitters have been passive early in the count, as they typically are, and have gotten burned late in the count with the breaking ball. They may need to alter their approach as the Angels' seem to have seized on a weakness and have the personnel to exploit it.
Frankie Piliere spent the last three seasons working as a scout, most recently in the professional scouting department for the Texas Rangers in 2009. He now serves as the National Baseball Analyst here at FanHouse.
2009 Baseball Playoffs
PHILADELPHIA - OCTOBER 19: Brad Lidge #54 and catcher Carlos Ruiz #51 of the Philadelphia Phillies talk on the mound as Andre Ethier #16 of the Los Angeles Dodgers stands at the plate in the top of the ninth inning of Game Four of the NLCS during the 2009 MLB Playoffs at Citizens Bank Park on October 19, 2009 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. (Photo by Jeff Zelevansky/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Brad Lidge;Carlos Ruiz;Andre Ethier
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PHILADELPHIA - OCTOBER 19: Closing pitcher Brad Lidge #54 of the Philadelphia Phillies reacts after he struck out Andre Ethier #16 of the Los Angeles Dodgers for the final out in the top of the ninth inning of Game Four of the NLCS during the 2009 MLB Playoffs at Citizens Bank Park on October 19, 2009 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. (Photo by Nick Laham/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Brad Lidge
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PHILADELPHIA - OCTOBER 19: Chase Utley #26 of the Philadelphia Phillies tumbles over after he failed to tag Rafael Furcal #15 of the Los Angeles Dodgers as FUrcal stole second base in the top of the ninth inning of Game Four of the NLCS during the 2009 MLB Playoffs at Citizens Bank Park on October 19, 2009 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. (Photo by Chris McGrath/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Chase Utley;Rafael Furcal
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PHILADELPHIA - OCTOBER 19: Brad Lidge #54 of the Philadelphia Phillies throws a pitch against the Los Angeles Dodgers in Game Four of the NLCS during the 2009 MLB Playoffs at Citizens Bank Park on October 19, 2009 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. (Photo by Chris McGrath/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Brad Lidge
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Steve Rotfeld (right) and Mike Tollin (left) watch a long ball hit by the Philadelphia Phillies during Game 4 of the NLCS series against the Los Angeles Dodgers at Citizens Bank Park, Monday, October 19, 2009, in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. (Elizabeth Robertson/Philadelphia Inquirer/MCT)
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Los Angeles Dodgers' Jonathan Broxton pitches against the Philadelphia Phillies in the eighth inning of Game 4 of the National League Championship baseball series Monday, Oct. 19, 2009, in Philadelphia. (AP Photo/Matt Slocum)
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Philadelphia Phillies' Ryan Howard reacts after striking out during the eighth inning of Game 4 of the National League Championship baseball series Monday, Oct. 19, 2009, in Philadelphia. Behind Howard is Los Angeles Dodgers catcher Russell Martin. (AP Photo/David J. Phillip)
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PHILADELPHIA - OCTOBER 19: Manager Joe Torre #6 (wearing jacket) of the Los Angeles Dodgers talks with his players on the mound including relief pitcher George Sherrill #52 against of the Philadelphia Phillies in Game Four of the NLCS during the 2009 MLB Playoffs at Citizens Bank Park on October 19, 2009 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. (Photo by Chris McGrath/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Joe Torre;George Sherrill
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PHILADELPHIA - OCTOBER 19: George Sherrill #52 of the Los Angeles Dodgers throws a pitch against of the Philadelphia Phillies in Game Four of the NLCS during the 2009 MLB Playoffs at Citizens Bank Park on October 19, 2009 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. (Photo by Nick Laham/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** George Sherrill
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Philadelphia Phillies' Ryan Howard sits in the dugout during the eighth inning of Game 4 of the National League Championship baseball series against the Los Angeles Dodgers Monday, Oct. 19, 2009, in Philadelphia. (AP Photo/David J. Phillip)
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
10-20-2009 @ 1:24AM
wayne1957 said...
joe should be working at a car wash with jim zorn
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10-20-2009 @ 10:43AM
James said...
yankees fans are the worst fair weather fans on the planet. They lose one game and are ready to kill the manager. That worked out well with Torre didn't it? Torre goes to LA and takes the Dodgers to back to back NLCS against the phills, while the yanks didn't even make the playoffs last year.
The over paid uner achieving yanks may have finally bought a trip to the World Series with another $200,000,000.00 + payroll. Especially after buying almost 1/2 billion in contracts in the off season. The yanks don't need a manager.....just the big wallet. Even when the yanks win they are still losers.
10-20-2009 @ 4:03AM
Ron Pizz said...
Joba needs to be back in the minors to learn how to pitch.If he gets in any more games you can kiss 27 goodby
And Joe G why are you leaving your team with one or two players in a tie game in extra innings,I think you are OVER MANAGING
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10-20-2009 @ 4:22AM
obamaizadope said...
that pitching change was idiotic. butt out Joe
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10-20-2009 @ 4:50AM
fastestruck said...
As much as I love his enthusiasm and the way he plays the game, Nick Swisher had two opertunities to drive in a runner from third with less then two outs in the early innings. That said the angels pitched him to the scouting report so credit them. Robertson was hitting his spots with all his pitches. Girardi probably made a mistake in micro managing his team. But give him credit. He's 5-1 in the playoffs. And all you Yankee fans secould guess too much. Yanks will win in five. They have too much team unity to lose these series.
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10-20-2009 @ 7:34AM
keithcal31 said...
While removing Robertson was foolish overmanaging in
fairness to Girardi he warned Pettitte about how to pitch to Guerrero and yet instead of getting him to swing at a pitch out of the strike zone he throws one right down the middle that Guerrero crushes for 2 runs. An amazingly bad and stupid mistake for a pitcher with his talent and experience.
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10-20-2009 @ 7:47AM
clyogi said...
I know that you cannot change your roster during a round of the playoffs, but can you fire the Manager in the middle of the playoffs? Girardi seems like a nice guy, but he is terrible as a Manager. The Yankees best chance tonight is that the Angels are so tired from laughing their butts off at Girardi that if affects their performance. If I am remembering correctly, the reason given for the Marlins firing of Girardi had something to do with his mishandling of the pitching staff. There is little question that the way he handled Chamberlain during the season probably ruined the guy's career. Last night's actions were simply unbelievable. Get rid of him now!!
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10-20-2009 @ 8:34AM
candleman49 said...
I agree with you 100%. You know your baseball!
10-20-2009 @ 7:50AM
Dick said...
I really feel Girardi mismanaged the game in the fact of inexperience during the playoffs. The game was there for them and he just misused his pitching staff. Hopefully he learned from his mistake and wins this series as well as learn how to manage. He also better start thinking about his team speedsters trying to steal, even with the lead. God knows they have had their chances.
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10-20-2009 @ 8:44AM
Micale Fam said...
Poor managing decisions on the part of Joe G. cost the Yanks this game. On 2 occasions the Yanks had 2 runners on base with no one out and Robbie Cano at the plate. Now I know Cano is a good hitter but he has a very low average when there are runners on base. Where's the bunt Joe ???? Move those runners up when you can. Play to win and not to the other teams level. And Swisher, well, he seems to need a game off. He has been terrible at the plate as has Cabrera. Give Hairston a chance. It can only improve your outfield arms anyway. And, what about starting Gardner. He could drive the Angels pitchers crazy when he gets on base except when the coaching staff of NY decide to have him try to steal a base when the pitch count is in the Angels favor. What a dumb move to send him with only 1 strike on the hitter. Just hang him out there, why don't you !!!!!
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10-20-2009 @ 9:15AM
mike said...
As bad as it was removing Robinson this wasn't Girardi's first or worst mistake of the night.The biggest mistake was going out to the mound during Vladimir Guerrero's at bat. Here it is Pettitte and Pasoda just conducting a great game so far and he runs out and disrupts their flow .Now they have to restart and think about not only what they are doing but what he was telling them.It was terrible timing and cost the Yankees dearly .
Everytime I see managers run out their like this it seems like bad things happen.I know the boxscore shows Aceves as the losing pitcher but it should show Girardi there. It was the worst game I ever seen him manage. The team is playing their hearts out , they don't need the manager to lose it for them.
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10-20-2009 @ 9:57AM
nickcherryl said...
What the Angles need is a blow out win.
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10-20-2009 @ 10:03AM
htc6600 said...
I don't care about any of that stuff, all I care about is that the Yankees lost and that the Angels are good enough to not only bounce back but to win the series. The Yankees are a pox on baseball.
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10-20-2009 @ 10:19AM
Remy LaCroix said...
George Steibrenner must be going nuts.In his "Heydays" Joe Girardi would have been fired for grossly overmanaging. Joe is running scared of the Newyork media.He certainly blew game 3 last night.And for all of you diehard Yankees fans,they will win in 6.
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10-20-2009 @ 10:22AM
charlie said...
hey joe, don't believe everything you read in them reports. believe more in what you see on the field. robertson was doing a good job. you just fu*ked up big time. cost us the game. us the fans.
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10-20-2009 @ 10:44AM
pilot9957 said...
Excuse me morons, how many major league teams have you managed? I`ve been a Yankee fan since 1963. He`s the manager, he won 103 games and is 5-1 in the playoffs. He made a decision which he gets paid to do, it didn`t work out. When you guys have Joe`s resume, then you can talk. It`s only one game.
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10-20-2009 @ 11:21AM
slr3975 said...
Good response PILOT. All you Yankee fans rest assure, we'll win in 5. I mean give the Angels some credit, they're a damn good baseball team. So we lost a close game, it happens. In Girardi I trust, although I think he should have left Robertsen in, it's ok... I'm over it and look forward to a complete domination by CC tonight. GO YANKS!
10-20-2009 @ 11:02AM
dillon1022 said...
Now with Scott Kazmir to deal with tonight. The Yankee's never play well against him. going back to the stadium tied at 2...
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10-20-2009 @ 11:27AM
syankee15 said...
Hey dillon1022 it's a 2-3-2 format
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10-20-2009 @ 11:26AM
dtallard said...
Yes, that was a stupid move by Girardi. Be real, the Yanks will not fire him for it, nor should they. He's made many more good moves than bad and nobody is perfect. I hope he starts managing more with his gut than his stat book. Even better would be for Cano and Swisher to have some productive at bats with men on base. They blew that game for the Yanks - not Girardi.
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